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Ralph Heiden - What kind of farm did Grandma and Grandpa have while you
were growing up?
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - We raised pigs to butcher.
 Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Ma raised geese. She made us all a feather bed from the
down.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - I got flogged by a goose once. Believe me, they could hurt
you!
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Aunts and Uncles would get together pull out the down and
put them in bags and dry them for mattresses. Feather beds.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Remember how we used to be afraid to get the eggs out from
under the old setting hens? They’d pick you on the hands if you
reached in for the eggs.
Pat (Bicking) Klass - We would throw corncobs at them to get them off the nest. Aunt Helen would say, “What’s the matter with you?” and reach in and pull
them out with her hand.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - We would take a stick and hold their head down and then
reach in to take the eggs from the nest.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - They were old setting hens and they did not want to get off
the nest. There were always a few that just wouldn’t get off the
nest for you.
Pat (Bicking) Klass - We would beg Helen to let us help get the eggs. Then the next
day, she would wonder what all those corncobs were doing in the
nests.
 Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - You always had a nasty rooster out there too that would come
after you. You’d be scared stiff.
I remember Ma would kill the chickens. She hold them down and take
the ax and cut off the heads and then dunk them in hot water. Then
she’d pick the feathers off them and we’d have to pull out those
darn pinfeathers. She’d cut them all up and soak them in some sort of saltwater over
night. The next morning, boy, that would make the best chicken! They
don’t taste like that now.
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - My dad used to cut the heads off like that on Saturday.
Then he’d let them run around and us kids would laugh. Then he’d dip
them in hot water and come in and dump them on the table. That was
the end of his part. It was Mother’s job from then on.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - When we first got married, Bill noticed that William and
Helen always had chickens in the freezer. He said, “Why don’t we put
some chickens in our freezer too?”
I said, “Oh, I don’t know about that.”
William asked Bill, “You want some chickens? Come on out next week.
I’ve got some and you can have them.”
So we went out there. William started to cut off the heads and stuck
them into a sleeve thing that held them while they bled out. And the
chickens were bleeding and squirming around.
Before long, William turned around and said, “Where’s Bill?”
Bill had disappeared around the corner of the shed. We went around
to find him and he said, “My God, I’ll never eat another chicken in
my life!”
He never talked about putting chickens in the freezer after that.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - That’s the city kid in him.
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - That smell when you put them in the hot water was enough
to put anyone off chicken.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Talking about chickens. They have those Amish chickens every
once in a while at the store and they taste like real chickens like
we used to have on the farm.
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - I bet they’re corn fed. And they let them run in the
field too.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - I haven’t been able to find them since. They don’t have any
chemicals and stuff fed to them.
Pat (Bicking) Klass - It’s amazing we eat anything anymore.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - Ma would take the chickens in the house and light a rolled
up newspaper and singe off the remaining feathers.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - We had guinea hens too.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - They were like watchdogs. They would start to “holler” and
make loud noises that would chase animals away.
 Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - The best time was when Pa would kill a pig. We would have
fresh liver that night. Boy that was fresh and delicious! They would
slice it real thin and they would make that dark, black gravy. Wilma
never liked it but I loved that dark gravy!
I tried buying liver at Baisley’s and I brought it home but it was
nothing like what we used to have when we lived on the farm.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - I would just hate it when I knew they were going to butcher
because I would come home and they would have liver for supper.
That is the only time I can remember that Ma bent her rules.
Normally, we were expected to eat whatever was put on the table.
But, I hated liver so much and almost got sick so finally she said,
“Oh, all right, I’ll fry you an egg and don’t act so foolish.”
Mildred (Roggerman) Heiden - Art used to talk about catching the blood from the pigs as
they butchered them. They would make blood cheese and sausage.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - That was something I could never eat. I don’t remember them
making it very much.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - We were talking the other day about “souse” (spelling?) and
head cheese and those things.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - They also made that apple stuff with the cracklings and
things when they butchered.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - That was from frying out the lard. They mixed that with
apples.
 Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Pa always made the mettwurst out in the smokehouse.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - Boy, that is one thing that you cannot buy. Not that tastes
like that did. Carl was the last one who could make it taste like
that.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Remember all the wine and cider barrels in the basement?
They’d tell us to go down and siphon off some of the wine with a
hose once in a while.
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - I can still smell that wine down there. Remember when we
got drunk that time?
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - We siphoned off too much. They were playing cards and they
told us to go down and get a pitcher of wine. We would just empty
off all the glasses before refilling them. Pretty soon we were.
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - Remember how mad they got?
Ralph Heiden - Was everything you used at home mostly homemade?
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Everything. I don’t ever remember buying any canned goods
back then.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - We used to have a grocery wagon come by every Monday. A guy
named Jake Myers traveled around from his store in Strasburg (Michigan).
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - He had a big truck that he would drive around the
countryside selling his goods.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Ma would go out to the road when he would come by with a
basket of eggs and trade them for groceries.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - I remember peaking over the edge of the truck and looking at
the box of candies. I don’t know what you would get for a basket of
eggs. Maybe some somersausage.
Ma and Pa would go to town, to Monroe, once in a while and come home
with link balognas in buns with mustard on them.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - That would be our Saturday night supper.
Mildred (Roggerman) Heiden - Art used to say, “Give me a tase of one of them der buns.”
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - Pa went to the mill with the wheat to get flour.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - He would trade bags of wheat for bags of flour.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Then he went to Heck’s Market right across the street.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - I think it’s Schroeder’s now.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Pa would also buy peanuts. Peanuts in the shell which he
just loved.
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - That must be where my Dad (Leo Heiden) got his love for peanuts in the
shell too.
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Ralph Heiden - Many people mentioned the Christmas Eve’s at Grandma and
Grandpa’s house. What do you remember about those parties?
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - After church everybody would come over and people would be
all over the house, sitting in the bedrooms and everywhere. There
were so many people in the house all at once on that night!
 Mildred (Roggerman) Heiden - I used to wonder why Grandma
(right holding Bruce Eipperle) would set quietly in the
background during those parties. Well, after I had all my children
and grandchildren home at once, I could begin to understand. It gets
so hectic.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - It got to be too much. Pa went down to the basement one time
and put an extra brace under the floor because he was afraid that so
many people being there at once would collapse the floor.
 Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - The men used to try to play cards out in the dining room and
the kids would race around the whole house. They would tear around
that table. You could just see Pa get frustrated but he never said
anything.
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - I remember Helen saying that the next morning she would
find half-eaten sandwiches down beneath the furniture.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - There would be food everywhere and wrapping paper wadded all
over the place.
Christmas Day was never anything special for us. People would go to
the other side of their families for visits. We would be all by
ourselves, cleaning up the mess and returning chairs we borrowed
from the church.
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - I remember Grandpa got plenty of shirts, pipes and
tobacco for presents at Christmas.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Ma would sit there in the living room and unwrap her gifts.
She and Pa both got a present from everybody who came. The children
all drew names and then got a present from whoever picked their
name. Sometimes your godparent gave you a present too.
We were lucky, we got an orange and some candy from church.
Hilda
and Carl
stood up for me so they would each give me a present and
that was about it.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - I had seven godchildren to buy presents for each year. Five
girls and two boys.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - I remember one time Ma and Pa gave me a harmonica for
Christmas.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - When we were young, we would usually get something like a
sled or a wagon for all the brothers and sisters to use.
 Ralph Heiden - Everyone would go to the service at
St
Matthew Lutheran Church on Christmas Eve. The kids were part of a Christmas pageant
play. What do you remember about those?
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Yeah, my heart was always beating like crazy before we had
to stand up in front of everyone and speak our lines. I was so
scared to do that sometimes.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - I remember when they had the real candles on the tree in the
church. Carl Miller stood nearby with a fishing pole that had a wet
sponge attached to it. He was supposed to put the candles out when
they burned down close to the tree.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - We used to have candles on the tree at home too but Pa would
never allow us to light them.
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Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - When we lived with
Grandma and Grandpa, I can remember
having to come down to the living room whenever there was a thunder
storm.
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Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - He was always afraid that he wouldn’t be able to get us down
from upstairs if the house was ever hit by lightning. So, in the
middle of the night, if a storm came up, we had to get dressed and
come down and sit together in the living room until the storm was
over.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - We had to get dressed since we were not allowed to come
downstairs in our night clothes. That’s the way us kids were raised.
When Marie got married and the first storm came along, she woke
Brick up in the middle of the night and said, “Get your pants on and
get downstairs.” He came into the living room and asked, “What’s wrong? Where are we
going?” Marie said, “Don’t be smart! We’re not going anyplace. It’s
storming.” Brick said, “Oh, for crying out loud.” and went back to bed.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - It seems like we used to have more serious storms back then
too.
 Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - Remember the balls of lightning that would come right
through the telephone lines and into the house?
Mildred (Roggerman) Heiden - It did that once when we lived at Suchik’s. The lightning
came right through the phone and blew it clear across the kitchen.
It was a wonder that one of the girls wasn’t talking on the phone at
the time.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - Edna used to be very concerned about electrical storms. I
used to stay up there with them sometimes.
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - That was probably because they didn’t have any electric
lights. They just had a kerosene lamp hanging from the ceiling.
 Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - When Henry (Rambow)
(right) would blow that lamp out, it went pitch black in
the house. You could hear the sheep “baa” out in the barnyard in the
night. I used to lay there in the back bedroom saying to myself, “I
hope it gets to be morning soon!” That was really scary.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - How about the time while
Helen, Wilma, Marie and Helma were
all still at home. Helma and Marie went out on dates one night.
Helma and Wilma were supposed to sleep together and Helen, Marie and
I shared a bed. I always had to sleep in the middle. We were scaredy cats so we talked Wilma into sleeping with us. When
the others came home, Marie climbed in too so we ended up with four
of us packed like sardines in one bed and Helma by herself in the
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Listed
below are excerpts from transcriptions of audio tapes of
two meetings with different combinations of the people
shown here. They occurred on May 28 and September 25,
1995. For the entire script,
