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Helen (Henning) Heiden - Was your brother,
David, born here, Mary Lou?
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - He was born while my parents lived here but he was born
in the hospital.
Marie (Heiden) Tommelein -
Roger was born over to the store on the corner of
Ida-Maybee
and South Custer.
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - Remember when you used to stay with us sometimes when you
couldn’t get home because the road was in bad shape?
Marie (Heiden) Tommelein - The night he was born, your dad went to get Mrs Spohr.
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Ralph Heiden - Who built the house at 8861 Dixon Road which became the
family homestead?
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Grandpa Heiden (August) was a mason and he built on the
dining room and kitchen after Pa bought it. Before moving there,
they lived down on South Custer Road at the Abby Place and the
Albright place.
Mildred (Roggerman) Heiden - Abby’s was right on the corner where Dixon Road and South
Custer come together.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel -
Edna and
Carl and
Leo went to school down there at the King
School. They rented those houses before moving to Dixon Road.
Ralph Heiden - Did Lee and Lu live where Jesse Barnes lived?
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - No I don’t think so. Carl lived there. I don’t think Mary
Lou lived there.
Ralph Heiden - What about the doctor? Did he make rounds and stop by the
farm periodically?
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - I remember Dr. Kelly. You had to call him to come out. He
didn’t come to our house very often.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Pa would get those kidney stones. He would just lay over the
couch in such misery. The doctor would come and give him a shot. He
would just be sick the next day and lay around.
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Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - What kind of house was the one that I was born in? It has
been gone for a long time now.
William Frank Heiden - It was a nice enough house. I think it had one bedroom
upstairs. That was where Billy Miller and what’s her name lived.
Marie (Heiden) Tommelein - Helen MacDowell. He married that woman with a little girl
and we used to go to school together.
William Frank Heiden - We used to go sparrow hunting with him back when there was
a bounty on sparrows. He used to put the dead sparrows in his
pockets and he’d go to divide them up and we’d sneak into his other
pocket and take one out while he wasn’t looking.
Marie (Heiden) Tommelein - I used to hold the flashlight for Art and
Heinie Heiden when
they would go after sparrows at night. They got 2 cents a piece and
I never got anything!
William Frank Heiden - I used to go into that house a lot of times. There was a
barn across the road on the south side. They had a corn crib and
chicken coop on the north side where the house was.
The red garage out in our drive came from that house when they tore
it down. The beams and things came from that old house.
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Helma (Heiden) Nickel -
Carl,
Leo and
Lester were working at other farms much of the
time while I was growing up.
Hilda
(Fuller) and
Mildred
(Eipperle) worked in Monroe and
stayed at Uncle Fred Rambow’s during the week. They would come home
on weekends. We all had our chores around home. I don’t ever remember Ma washing
the dishes. We all did our share of ironing too.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - I had to fill the woodbox with firewood for the stove in the
kitchen.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - The boys would do the farm work. The girls never did too much
in the fields. We would help out once in a while.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Ma was always there though. She did the baking.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking -
Art worked over to Knapp’s farms.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel -
Carl worked down to Rath’s. Wherever the boy’s worked, they
stayed for room and board too.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - One thing that I hated was when Pa would let the cows out to
graze along the ditches near the road. I was supposed to watch them
and I was scared to death that they would get hit by a car on the
road.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - We had to pick raspberries, peas and strawberries from the
garden.
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - We used to hoe weeds out of the corn rows for 5 cents a
row. When I would accidentally slice off a stalk of corn, I would
prop it up in place praying that Grandpa wouldn’t see it.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - We thought 5 cents a row was going to be a lot but the rows
ran all the way back to the woods. You got to the end and you would
say to yourself, “Ugh, there’s another 5 cents.” You would make
about 15 or 20 cents a day at that rate!
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - We used to pick raspberries down to Brossia’s for 3 cents a
quart.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - At Spewak’s we would pick beans and at Polley’s we would
pick strawberries. I don’t remember how we got to those places but
we did.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - I can remember picking 80 some quarts once and I only made
two dollars and forty cents. You guys would pick over 100 quarts and
get over $3.00. Our hands would be all dirty and stained and then at noon, you had
to eat your sandwich from a bag. It was all day long in the hot sun.
Finally, Ma said, “You don’t have to do that anymore if you don’t
want to.”
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Ralph Heiden - What kind of farm did Grandma and Grandpa have while you
were growing up?
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - We raised pigs to butcher.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Ma raised geese. She made us all a feather bed from the
down.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - I got flogged by a goose once. Believe me, they could hurt
you!
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Aunts and Uncles would get together pull out the down and
put them in bags and dry them for mattresses. Feather beds.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Remember how we used to be afraid to get the eggs out from
under the old setting hens? They’d pick you on the hands if you
reached in for the eggs.
Pat (Bicking) Klass - We would throw corncobs at them to get them off the nest. Aunt Helen would say, “What’s the matter with you?” and reach in and pull
them out with her hand.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - We would take a stick and hold their head down and then
reach in to take the eggs from the nest.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - They were old setting hens and they did not want to get off
the nest. There were always a few that just wouldn’t get off the
nest for you.
Pat (Bicking) Klass - We would beg Helen to let us help get the eggs. Then the next
day, she would wonder what all those corncobs were doing in the
nests.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - You always had a nasty rooster out there too that would come
after you. You’d be scared stiff.
I remember Ma would kill the chickens. She hold them down and take
the ax and cut off the heads and then dunk them in hot water. Then
she’d pick the feathers off them and we’d have to pull out those
darn pinfeathers. She’d cut them all up and soak them in some sort of saltwater over
night. The next morning, boy, that would make the best chicken! They
don’t taste like that now.
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - My dad used to cut the heads off like that on Saturday.
Then he’d let them run around and us kids would laugh. Then he’d dip
them in hot water and come in and dump them on the table. That was
the end of his part. It was Mother’s job from then on.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - When we first got married, Bill noticed that William and
Helen always had chickens in the freezer. He said, “Why don’t we put
some chickens in our freezer too?”
I said, “Oh, I don’t know about that.”
William asked Bill, “You want some chickens? Come on out next week.
I’ve got some and you can have them.”
So we went out there. William started to cut off the heads and stuck
them into a sleeve thing that held them while they bled out. And the
chickens were bleeding and squirming around.
Before long, William turned around and said, “Where’s Bill?”
Bill had disappeared around the corner of the shed. We went around
to find him and he said, “My God, I’ll never eat another chicken in
my life!”
He never talked about putting chickens in the freezer after that.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - That’s the city kid in him.
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - That smell when you put them in the hot water was enough
to put anyone off chicken.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Talking about chickens. They have those Amish chickens every
once in a while at the store and they taste like real chickens like
we used to have on the farm.
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - I bet they’re corn fed. And they let them run in the
field too.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - I haven’t been able to find them since. They don’t have any
chemicals and stuff fed to them.
Pat (Bicking) Klass - It’s amazing we eat anything anymore.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - Ma would take the chickens in the house and light a rolled
up newspaper and singe off the remaining feathers.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - We had guinea hens too.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - They were like watchdogs. They would start to “holler” and
make loud noises that would chase animals away.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - The best time was when Pa would kill a pig. We would have
fresh liver that night. Boy that was fresh and delicious! They would
slice it real thin and they would make that dark, black gravy. Wilma
never liked it but I loved that dark gravy!
I tried buying liver at Baisley’s and I brought it home but it was
nothing like what we used to have when we lived on the farm.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - I would just hate it when I knew they were going to butcher
because I would come home and they would have liver for supper.
That is the only time I can remember that Ma bent her rules.
Normally, we were expected to eat whatever was put on the table.
But, I hated liver so much and almost got sick so finally she said,
“Oh, all right, I’ll fry you an egg and don’t act so foolish.”
Mildred (Roggerman) Heiden - Art used to talk about catching the blood from the pigs as
they butchered them. They would make blood cheese and sausage.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - That was something I could never eat. I don’t remember them
making it very much.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - We were talking the other day about “souse” (spelling?) and
head cheese and those things.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - They also made that apple stuff with the cracklings and
things when they butchered.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - That was from frying out the lard. They mixed that with
apples.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Pa always made the mettwurst out in the smokehouse.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - Boy, that is one thing that you cannot buy. Not that tastes
like that did. Carl was the last one who could make it taste like
that.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Remember all the wine and cider barrels in the basement?
They’d tell us to go down and siphon off some of the wine with a
hose once in a while.
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - I can still smell that wine down there. Remember when we
got drunk that time?
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - We siphoned off too much. They were playing cards and they
told us to go down and get a pitcher of wine. We would just empty
off all the glasses before refilling them. Pretty soon we were.
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - Remember how mad they got?
Ralph Heiden - Was everything you used at home mostly homemade?
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Everything. I don’t ever remember buying any canned goods
back then.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - We used to have a grocery wagon come by every Monday. A guy
named Jake Myers traveled around from his store in Strasburg (Michigan).
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - He had a big truck that he would drive around the
countryside selling his goods.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Ma would go out to the road when he would come by with a
basket of eggs and trade them for groceries.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - I remember peaking over the edge of the truck and looking at
the box of candies. I don’t know what you would get for a basket of
eggs. Maybe some somersausage.
Ma and Pa would go to town, to Monroe, once in a while and come home
with link balognas in buns with mustard on them.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - That would be our Saturday night supper.
Mildred (Roggerman) Heiden - Art used to say, “Give me a tase of one of them der buns.”
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - Pa went to the mill with the wheat to get flour.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - He would trade bags of wheat for bags of flour.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Then he went to Heck’s Market right across the street.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - I think it’s Schroeder’s now.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Pa would also buy peanuts. Peanuts in the shell which he
just loved.
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - That must be where my Dad (Leo Heiden) got his love for peanuts in the
shell too.
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This
was a carry over of a 19th century custom in rural America where
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Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - I remember Helma and Herb’s shivery. That was impressive
to me.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - They went to Indiana to get married but when they came home,
a bunch of relatives and neighbors said, “We’re coming tonight so
have some beer ready.”
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - I still have the receipt from Jim Malone’s in Ida where Herb
went and got the beer. It was a dollar something a case. He got beer
and candy and pop for the kids.
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - Remember they had the old metal wash tubs that they were
banging on to make noise?
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - You always had to be careful because they would threatened
to take the bride “for a ride” in the truck.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Did they take you for a ride?
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - No they didn’t!
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - You should have heard the noise.
John Eipperle put something
on his exhaust pipe that made the pipes “whistle” real loud. I
remember everyone in the house just holding their ears. They made so
much noise!
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - What year did you get married, Helma?
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - 1938
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - So, I would have been 9 years old but I can remember it
very well.
Pat (Bicking) Klass - The only place I ever saw a shivery was on The Waltons on T.V.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - They had one for
Mildred and John Eipperle too. That was ten
years before Herb and I got married though.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - They had those big tubs of beer and everybody came and
drank. They just had to have a party.
Word must have passed around the neighborhood and they just showed
up at a certain time. You had to have some food and drink ready.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - Did you know they were coming?
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Yes. It was on the very first night back from being married.
We got back from
Hilda’s on Sunday and the shivery was on Monday
night.
All the relatives from Toledo were invited too. The house was
full. The yard was full. Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - People would make all kinds of noise banging on pots and
tubs.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Yes, and then the newlyweds would have to show themselves on
the porch.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - Guess you’d say we were kind of a party family.
Pat (Bicking) Klass - At the reunions, I remember having those big horse troughs and
everyone would be in there fishing around for beer and pop in the
icy water.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - At
Lester and Lila’s shivery, I remember them passing out
drinks and fresh fried cakes.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Did
Lee and Lou have one?
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - I don’t remember, I wasn’t born yet! |
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Ralph Heiden - Now, on this farm, Grandpa owned all the land on the north
side of the road to the river too? Did he sell off the parcels where
the other houses are now?
William Frank Heiden - Leo was the first one to buy a three acre lot from Dixon
Road back to the river. His was the one right next to Jesse Barnes’
place. Then he sold three acres to Wally Grams. The last lot went to
Paul Goetz.(Note: Walter Grams was the teacher at Bridge School
during the later 1930s and into the 1940s. He built the original
house at
8864 Dixon Road)
Ralph Heiden - I remember Jerry and Anabel from Toledo who had a small
place there where they came out on weekends.
William Frank Heiden - Those were the Feebacks. They bought the lot from Leo.
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - I think they sold the lot when they bought the house on
South Custer where Mother lives now.
Brick Tommelein - When
Leo bought it, were they going to live there? Wonder
why they never did.
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - They had intentions of building. I can remember them
looking at books and books of house plans but they never did build.
Probably because they had a chance to buy the home on South Custer.
William Frank Heiden - I think Pa sold all those lots for $1500 each.
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Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - Norma Miller remembered that Grandma Rambow was a crabby
old lady.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - She was very strict evidently. We used to get instruction
before we went there that we were to sit quietly and not ask for
anything.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - I remember going to Aunt
Minnie Rambow’s and she would be
sitting there reading the Bible. You didn’t dare say a word until
she was done with her scripture.
(Note: Uncle Will and Aunt Minne Rambow were Mary (Rambow) Heiden’s brother
and sister. They lived together through their adult lives at the
family farm on South Custer Rd.)
Mildred (Roggerman) Heiden - One time Lou and I were wall papering at their house.
Uncle Will Rambow came out of the kitchen and stood in the doorway
because he had dinner ready. Lou said to me, “We might as well go home now because he won’t let
her eat until we leave.”
So, although we had only one strip of paper to hang to finish the
room, we left for the day and came back the next day so they could
eat their dinner. Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - That was the quietest house I was ever in, I remember.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - I used to have to stay there all summer. That was torture.
That’s why I am such a quiet person. (Laughter)
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - Tick Tok, Tick Tok, that old clock they had was so loud
in the quiet of the room.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - At ten minutes to nine every night, Uncle Will would get the
Bible and hand it to Aunt Minnie. She would then read to him in
German until 9 o’clock. And I’d set there real still, never saying a
word. When she was done, he would take the Bible and put it back on the
shelf. Without saying a word, he would go upstairs to bed. There
wasn’t any talking going on at all in the house.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - There wasn’t anything for them to do. They didn’t have a
radio or anything. After Grandma Rambow died, Herb and I used to go
down there to visit. Uncle Willie just loved to play cards. We would
have a real good time. Edna and Henry used to go there and have a
good time too. The two of them were so used to just sitting
there in the quiet by themselves
Mary Lou (Heiden) Opfermann - After Aunt Minnie died, Uncle Will finally got a
television.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - He had a dog that he used to fry two eggs for each day.
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - I would think that the Rambows and the Heidens came over
from Germany about the same time. They had some of the same type of
furniture. Remember that settee that you had, Helma? Grandpa and
Grandma Rambow had a similar piece of furniture in their house.
Maybe the two families knew each other before they came over from
Germany.
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - Well the Milhans all went to
Bridge School way back then
too.
(Note: Mary (Rambow) Heiden’s mother was a Milhan.)
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - Were the Rambows on the ship list that you got, Ralph?
Ralph Heiden - No but I don’t have the complete list. I only have a copy of
the first page with the details about the ship and then the page
that lists August
Heiden and his family. They were passengers number
304 through 308 so there were probably 400 or more people on the
boat. I will check it out. (Note: Turns out the Rambows came one
year later in 1874.)
Wilma (Heiden) Bicking - It is funny that they lost that baby, Meta and didn’t name
some other children after her later on.
Norma "Jeanie" Heiden - Helma, is your middle name, Meta?
Helma (Heiden) Nickel - No, its Nettie. That was Nettie Spohr, they were a neighbor
and she stood up for me. She and Aunt Emmie and Uncle
Heinrich "Henry" Heiden
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